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matt58veedub
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Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:41 am

Hey everyone, I just joined as I am picking up my first Ford 500 today. I bought a 2005 AWD limited model. It has 120,000 km (74,500 Miles) and is super clean. It was owned by a retired couple that can't drive any more and was maintained well by them. It was $1000 so I hope it was a good deal. The separate winter X ice tires on rims alone are worth good money so if it is a lemon I can always recoup some of my money. Does any one have any advice for a new 500 owner? I want to change the CVT fluid soon, does anyone know what Ford charges for this? If its way too much I will do it myself. Thanks for any good advice.


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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by Deckard_Cain » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:48 am

$1k is a good price, particularly if there are no known issues with it and it isn't' rusted out anywhere.

Advice for a new owner? Same as with any used car, go through EVERYTHING. If anything is modified or broken, try to get it all back as close to OE/factory/new operation as you can.

Define "way too much" for a dealer to do the CVT fluid... you're going to spend at least $125 on 5qts of Motorcraft XT-7-QCFT fluid to start with (use nothing else but this!!!!!!). There are 6 exclamation marks on purpose. I'd be inclined to drop the pan and change the pan filter as well- but some say it is not necessary. You absolutely will want to change the High Pressure (HP) filter on the side of the trans.

fordtaurus.net is not very active of a site.. particularly for us 500/Montego owners. Lots of good info over at myfordfreestyle.com. The Ford Freestyle/Taurus X are basically the same car. A good write up on the CVT service here:

https://www.myfordfreestyle.com/forums/ ... php?t=2648

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:16 am

Thanks for the reply, I drove it home last night and it seemed to work good! Only issue I could see is that the ABS and traction control light are lit up. Quick research showed it might be the AWD coupling oil pump. If the ABD module fuse is blown and if I unplug this pump on the rear diff after replacing the fuse and the lights go off then it is that pump. So far I have found it on Amazon for $280 so it's not that bad but the rear diff fluid is $32 for 800ml. I will check this out this weekend.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by Deckard_Cain » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:21 am

matt58veedub wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:16 am
Thanks for the reply, I drove it home last night and it seemed to work good! Only issue I could see is that the ABS and traction control light are lit up. Quick research showed it might be the AWD coupling oil pump. If the ABD module fuse is blown and if I unplug this pump on the rear diff after replacing the fuse and the lights go off then it is that pump. So far I have found it on Amazon for $280 so it's not that bad but the rear diff fluid is $32 for 800ml. I will check this out this weekend.
Matt... the rear diff fluid should just be gear oil... 75w90 or similar. The PTU or what Volvo calls the bevel gear uses similar fluid, easily covered and replaced if using a synthetic gear lube. Just use a synthetic 75w90 for both PTU and rear diff, and it'll be fine. If you're seeing $32 for 800ml then you are probably looking at the Volvo or Motorcraft branded fluid which is nothing special.

Now, the Haldex unit attached to the rear diff.... THAT IS special fluid. Use no substitute. Also, despite Ford saying otherwise, there is a replaceable filter on the Haldex unit. If you start researching and watching YT vids on Volvo Haldex III servicing and maintenance, you'll learn a lot more as well.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:30 am

Good to know, I think I was looking at the fluid for the Haldex unit, which I will need if I replace that oil pump. It was dark when I got home last night so I haven't been able to take a good look under there yet but hopefully this weekend. I will check the YT vids for sure. Thanks

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by Deckard_Cain » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:42 am

Yes, for sure on the Haldex fluid when changing the pump. Those things don't fail often.. but if the filter is clogged and pressure increases, fluid is restricted, yeah things can go bad.

Do you have the DTC's for the ABS and traction control faults?

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:00 am

I have lights on the dash for both ABS and Traction control, how do you get the codes for ABS and traction control? I have a OBDII scanner but I don't think that will give me those codes.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by Deckard_Cain » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:04 am

You'd need a scanner capable of reading ABS codes. I needed one for my 08 Acadia (severely dislike that vehicle....) so I bought an Innova 3160d on Amazon a few years back. Theyre up to the "g" version now. Price has also gone up, as I got mine for $160 at the time.

You don't happen to be in Michigan, are you? If so, I could assist.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by Deckard_Cain » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:29 am

matt58veedub wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:16 am
Thanks for the reply, I drove it home last night and it seemed to work good! Only issue I could see is that the ABS and traction control light are lit up. Quick research showed it might be the AWD coupling oil pump. If the ABD module fuse is blown and if I unplug this pump on the rear diff after replacing the fuse and the lights go off then it is that pump. So far I have found it on Amazon for $280 so it's not that bad but the rear diff fluid is $32 for 800ml. I will check this out this weekend.
Oh, as I was checking part numbers for other things on Rockauto... i place-holdered an AWD coupling pump for the Haldex unti. Dorman makes one, part number 699002. It's $166. Might want to consider it, even though it's aftermarket, it is significantly less cash.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:31 am

I'm in Ontario, Canada if you feel like making a road trip! Lol, I think I need to buy another tool now, still cheaper than if I take it to the stealership for them to fix.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:34 am

Best price I can find on the Dorman is $284 from Amazon Canada, I've checked every parts store in my area and all the CDN online parts places and that's the best so far. I haven't even checked the dealership as it will probably be insane in price.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by Deckard_Cain » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:47 am

matt58veedub wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:34 am
Best price I can find on the Dorman is $284 from Amazon Canada, I've checked every parts store in my area and all the CDN online parts places and that's the best so far. I haven't even checked the dealership as it will probably be insane in price.
Rockauto has listings for shipping to Canada... might be worth a check.

DORMAN 699002 {#30783079}

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.ph ... 1&jsn=9038

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:13 pm

I will check that out but last time I ordered from the states I got killed with the exchange, and duty and taxes. I checked with the Ford dealership and they want $470 for it $410 after I told them I was military but still way too pricey for this guy.

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Post by Webmaster » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:20 pm

I'm in Canada, I pretty much buy 90% of my auto parts from either RockAuto or Amazon.ca, the rest is local/dealer depending on what it is. RockAuto is upfront about duty/tax/shipping on the checkout page.
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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:45 pm

Well RockAuto does seem to be the cheapest so far, $256 compared to $284 from Amazon.ca. I think I will go with the RockAuto unit after I do some more fault finding to make sure this is the issue. I will change the Haldex fluid at the same time.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by Deckard_Cain » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:55 pm

matt58veedub wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:45 pm
Well RockAuto does seem to be the cheapest so far, $256 compared to $284 from Amazon.ca. I think I will go with the RockAuto unit after I do some more fault finding to make sure this is the issue. I will change the Haldex fluid at the same time.
Change the pump filter too... If you remove your old pump but it's good, clean the little screen on there too.

For the main filter, cross reference Volvo part number 30787687.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:50 pm

Good advice, I will change that as well!

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:42 am

So I checked it out a little bit over the weekend (thanksgiving here in Canada) I don't have the ABS fuse blown so I will check my ABS codes now. Just waiting for Amazon to deliver my fancy new code reader.

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Re: Just bought a 2005 500

Post by matt58veedub » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:25 am

SO I hooked up my new code reader to the 500 and I had a code for the rear right wheel speed sensor. Ok I can change that but first I went to look at the live stream data and then the code disappeared altogether, and I didn't clear the codes! Has not been back since and I have driven almost a thousand KM. I am hoping that all is good now but I am changing the fluid and filter for the Haldex AWD system as good preventative measure. I have made a huge WORD document with all of the part numbers for the system including from all different manufactures. The price difference between the Haldex fluid is crazy! I found a NAPA part number for the fluid and it goes for $183 a litre!!!! Best price I found was VW stuff at $37 for 850 ml. These are in Canadian so I am sure Americans can find cheaper. My document also has a lot of pictures and procedures for the system as well as ABS codes that are associated with it. Let me know if anyone would be interested in it.

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