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HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

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HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

Post by lkuseian » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:11 am

For all 2010s and up,

First a bit of common sense-
Do not listen to the ridiculous maintenance schedule recommend in owners manual! if you listen to it your car will inevitably fail much sooner than it should. These service intervals are listed with the bare minimum and fewest amount of service periods physically possible to cut down on things that are being counted up by the car market where the vehicle will be stretched thin in advertisement by things like the "5 year maintenance cost" that is used to advertise which cars can save you the most money to maintain. All so that new owners are tempted to buy newer, trade sooner and buy often with out much care to properly extending vehicle life.

To prevent premature water pump failure (or any type of part failure) in these cars its not 100% but it will extend the life of the pump dramatically!!

The transmission fluid & coolant are both negligently scheduled to be flushed or changed toward the later life of the vehicle which = doom for cars and engines.

The actual Ford owner website recommends a more accurate inspection period of the vehicle parts (basically every time you change the oil). The reason these are listed more as inspection and not actual replacements or servicing is because not a single car or engine that comes out of the factory are the same right down to the metal forging the blocks in the engines, that is physically impossible not too mention being exposed to different environments, driving styles and service/part quality available. Which means! - some will burn fluids, corrode or wear out parts much sooner or far later than others. remember, the life of a part or fluid is an ideal average.

These 3.5l engines have always been bizarre when it comes to different amounts and rate of electrolysis that occurs in the coolant and if you just assume that opening the coolant reservoir at the top and seeing clean green fluid, that your good. Then your car is most likely a sitting time bomb of repairs.

I've recommend to every DIY customer I've ever had that before doing an oil change, run the car to temperature, with the heat on!(especially in summer to circulate the heater core fluid) then when draining the oil, open the stopcock at the bottom of the radiator (yes I know it's a pain because it's behind the skid panel in the front) and fill up a small clear cup and look at the coolant if it looks dull or hazy or smells worn then for what ever reason!.
Just flush the fluid!!
and pleasepleaseplease use oem or equivalent fluid!!!
Don't mix colors or grades (if its orange don't use green etc)
and just stick to 50/50 coolant because allot of people do not evenly dilute the fluids nor do they use distilled water when diluting fluid.

To the first person THAT WILL claim tap water is fine, please remember these newer engines are being made with higher amounts mixed metals, tighter and more precise seals and clearances. The sediment and mineral content and chlorination in tap water should not be mixed with engines or they will prematurely rust and corrode! LOOK at your rotors, DO YOU SEE THE RUST! YEAH, THAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE COOLING LOOP TOO! HOW DO YOU THINK THE PUMP BLADES CORRODE AND BREAK DOWN THE SEAL's CAUSING THE PUMP TO FAIL.

Bottom line! your coolant should be thoroughly flushed and replaced far more often than listed in your owners manual.

p.s. protip- don't use sealants and stop leaks because although possibly offering temporary fixes, they will break down the seals of the engine and will clog up sensors and components preventing proper monitoring and operation of the vehicle.
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Re: HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

Post by Dougboffl » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:03 pm

I've got a 2016 Limited 3.5L Flex-Fuel Taurus with 10k miles on it.
So, the post above all makes good sense, frequent fluid changes with the correct stuff, don't laugh off a small coolant drips.

I've also read about numerous complaints on this and other Ford forums on the water pump issue. I've probably seen about 20 reports where someone says, "It happened to me". In some they give age ranges for the issue like 2010-2014, 2010-newer. Many of the posts are older, like <2014. It is now August 2017 and the 2018 models are on the horizon. Will there even be a 2018 Taurus?

Does anyone know if Ford has addressed the issue (somehow) with recent 3.5L vehicles? Of course I'm specifically concerned with my 2016 model year but just wondering if Ford even thinks there is a significant issue. Is there a year where they fixed them going forward, or is there a better part or seal or procedure to remedy the issue at less cost?

Some of these thread's results seem a bit much like the dealership/repair shop maybe took advantage of someone. Like when - the engine drove fine but because of the coolant circulating in the oil the engine needs replacing? I'm old school but WHAT? I've not messed with engines in years so is there something that mixing those fluids (oil & coolant) produces Alien's acid blood? Or the dealership took 24 hours to do a 12-hour repair and a DIYer does it in 4 hours? Prices from $1,200 to $2,000 just for the pump, no engine.

Also, are we hearing about such a small percentage of units sold that this is really no big deal except to those that have been bitten? Ford sold about 200k Taurus cars model years 2014-2017 so are we all reading and rehashing 100 internet reports out of a total of 500 actual (0.25%) water pump failures?

I've got a while & miles before I get real concerned for myself but I'm looking for some recent intel on the issue. Should I be looking into an extended warranty?

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Re: HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

Post by Webmaster » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:27 pm

Dougboffl wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:03 pm
Does anyone know if Ford has addressed the issue (somehow) with recent 3.5L vehicles? Of course I'm specifically concerned with my 2016 model year but just wondering if Ford even thinks there is a significant issue.
Your engine still has a similar design, could be susceptible over time. An extended warranty won't necessarily cover the full damage this issue can cause. Buy a Toyota :wink: OK I'm half serious.
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Re: HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

Post by Dougboffl » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:59 am

So I went to the Ford extended warranty site (no longer Ford-ESP now http://fordprotect.ford.com/)
I looks like the "PowertrainCARE" program would be lowest cost (cough) that covers the cursed water pump. For my 2016, w/11k miles on it, coverage out to year 2024/125k miles (furthest they go) and estimating only 12k miles per year the price is...

(are you sitting down?)

(ready)

Down payment of $287
And $107 per month.

(I told you to sit down)

So ~$1300/per year (or $9300 start to finish for the 7 years of coverage). At first I was shocked, then (although still shocked) I thought, "Well this is more than an offset for a single water pump repair". It covers most any engine issue with a few exclusions of course. And if you were to have a water pump eat your engine, well now it might almost make sense vs an $8k engine job. Now if you took that same monthly payment and stuck it in a nominal investment you would have, "Mo money" to spend on the repair - if it was needed or you would have a nice down payment on a new car. But I don't think anybody really ever does that, it just sounds good.

Just something to pass along.

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Re: HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

Post by Webmaster » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:47 pm

Wow $$... but.... keep in mind that if you don't have a receipt for a coolant change/flush at the proper interval, they can potential invalidate the extended warranty. And that $9,300 warranty only takes effect AFTER the factory warranty expires, so it's not a 7 year warranty in reality, it's more like a 2 year warranty. Semantics...

That is such a good deal... for Ford ;)
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Re: HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

Post by GhostRider » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:47 pm

My '13 has 111K on it and so far so good. The dealer flushed my coolant not too long ago :). The water pump seems cheap enough

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Post by Webmaster » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:14 pm

It's the labor that makes it big $$$, not the pump.
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Re: HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

Post by GhostRider » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:27 pm

Webmaster wrote:
Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:14 pm
It's the labor that makes it big $$$, not the pump.
I know
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Post by Webmaster » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:44 pm

If I sound negative, it's because I am regarding this issue :shock:
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Re: HOW TO PREVENT WATER PUMP FAILURE

Post by Dougboffl » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:55 am

Oh this could be a huge problem for FORD's reputation if it is indeed as large a plague as it seems. That basic chain driven cam engine using the water pump as a load bearing device is used in a bunch of designs. When folks start hearing that the WP wears out about 90k miles and potentially wrecks the engine, look out. Who in the secondary market would by a car with 70k+ miles if it is subject to a $1k to $8k repair - that last value is more than the depreciated car is worth in many cases.

Last year I was looking at used Police Interceptors out of curiosity. Most hit the secondary market (eBay) with ~90k miles. I didn't know at the time but makes sense now. Those fleet managers know to off load those vehicles just before the significant risk of engine failure occurs.

There is someone on TaurusClub.com that bought a PI and has just completed his own engine swap resulting from this issue. He has about $2k cash in the project and 72 man hours (on his 2013).

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